Technique And Training Discussion In English

Greetings Netherlands,

Is there some possibility to have some discussion in English?

I am sure that there are others too, that would like to see this.


Bedankt,

Pieter A. Dykstra
Frenchtown, New Jersey.
USA

Hello Krizz,

Much to discuss,

And the 1st thing that comes to mind at the moment is Testing the Lactate "Turnpoint" or "OP" in dutch.

I have the proper testing device, but would like to know some specific Protocol, for it's use on an All-Round skater, to referance the skating speed. against the Lactate Acculumation.

Perhaps some info on such is available here.

Thanks,

Piet

Hi Krizz,

Yes thank you for that info. I am hoping for more specific information.

In 1991 I trained with Pro Action....Heerenveen W/Henk Gemser.

I do recall my friend Cor Jan Smulders, as well as Geert Kuiper (now TVM coach) and a few others doing OP test W/Lactate samples.

I remember people sitting at the finish line, recording ALL of their lap times during this testing.

I also recall them skating I Think 4 laps @ same Intensity, using HR Monitor, then stop to have Blood sampled from Earloab, and off to skate again, same number of laps, at a higher Intensity. I do know how to plot the graph with the laptimes/Lactate levels...Much like Conconi Test, But I do not know the details for the Laps/Rest time after Blood is taken before going again at the next higher Intensity.

Perhaps also it is being done in a different manner that 1991?


Thanks for your help

Piet

Merry Christmas Nederland!!

Piet

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He Piet,

to plot the graph is the easy part of lactate testing. You let your speedskater do laps at different intensities of let say 80%, 84%, 88%, 92% and 94% of maxspeed and take lactate samples. Then you put speed m/s on the x-axis and the lactate mmol/l and HR on the y-axis. This will give you the lactate and HR curve.

The difficult part is the intepretation of the curve itself and especially of it's shift over time. A lot of times there is not a real lactate threshold to be found in the curve what has provided a lot of reseachers to conclude that a lactate threshold does not exist.

The intepretation of the shift of the curve is a bit tricky also. Until recently it was generally accepted that a shift of the curve to the right was caused by an increased aerobic capacity. But this is not completely correct as it can also be caused by a subsequent decrease in the anaerobic capacity.

HR cannot be effectively used as a parameter for training intensity as it is influenced by to many variables as temperature, cardiacal drift, diet, sleep etc. It is a proper tool for preventing overtraining though (rest HR).

Kind Regards

RowCoach

Hello RowCoach,


Thank you kindly for the Protocol for testing! It seemes very clear.

Interesting too about the shift of curve to R when AnAerob Conditioning is Decreased.

Again Thank You

Piet

Pieter,

if you want more info on the exact procedure of taking lactate tests and help with the intepretion of the lactate curve let me know.

Kind Regards

RowCoach

ps What kind of speedskater do you coach (distance?)

RowCoach,

The main focus with the lactate meter would be training the 2' energy system.....50-50 AnAerobic/Aerobic. The skaters trained will need a Superior 1500 meter performance.

Do you know Bob Kaehler?

Pete D.

He Pieter,

Bob Kaehler is a rower (at least that is what google comes up with) but I do not know him. If you want to discuss the procedure of the lactate tests and the results just let me know (maybe better to sent me a personal message).

RowCoach