Participation for skaters from countries that are not members of the ISU.

Discussie in 'Lange baan' gestart door Kristian, 15 apr 2021.

  1. Kristian

    Kristian Active Member

    Been wondering about this issue recently. Clearly you need some sort of licence to be able to skate at all in all kinds of races of some magnitude. Then you have different levels of Events.
    This winter Soberanis from GUA competed in Inzell. Last year in SLC. The protocols from Max Aicher say that she skated out of competition at the International Competitions, whilst included in the main listings in the Frillensee races. Guatemala is not a member of the ISU. Is her goal maybe to be able to compete for her boyfriends country? What made her able to compete at the AmCup (International Competition) last season? Licence for another country? (USA?) or did she skate out of competition? Is she awaiting a "clearance certificate" to change the country which she is competing for, or a "go" from Switzerland? The ISU itself doesnt demand citizenship in order to compete for another country.

    Marreiros from Portugal is another example. Competed this season in Inzell. In ratified International Competitions and not. Included in the ordinary results in both cases. He obtained the reigning qualifying time on the 5k in an approbated International Event in order to be able to compete in the World Cup. But Portugal is not a member of the ISU. No?

    What was the case of the colombians "pre-2015" before they became a provisional member. Where they able to participate in International Competitions (i.e. not including ISU Events)? Mario Valencia changed from USA to Colombia anyhow. But wondering about the others. Seems just to have been lesser competitions for the others like Time Trials. Clearly Colombia wanted to take part on the international scene, an indeed they did. Most promising prospect today is Amaya.

    Another historical question; What happened to the chileans? National champs in 2017, then quiet. Is it correct that it was some kind of irregularity about that championship? Member of the ISU today. But only regarding Figure Skating?
  2. H2O-s

    H2O-s Active Member

    I know that Viviana Rodriguez Rojas (CHL) and the KNSB (Dutch federation) got into trouble because she participated as a Chilean in the speed skating marathons that were placed on the ISU calendar (And Chile is indeed only Figure Skating member). She now participates on a Dutch licence.

    Portugal at least was member of ISU before but indeed now don't seem to be in the member list of the ISU anymore. I don't know why they have been removed. Colombia is member now.
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  3. Mjøsaman

    Mjøsaman Well-Known Member

    Bij Internationale Wedstrijden moet je door de nationale bond (=ISU-lid) worden ingeschreven.
    Volgens mij heeft de ISU het recht, at their discretion, om bij Internationale Wedstrijden schaatsers toe te laten uit landen die geen ISU-lid zijn . Maar je zal dus wel een aanvraag moeten doen daarvoor. En ik denk dat je dan met nationaliteit "ISU" in de uitslagen belandt.
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  4. Kristian

    Kristian Active Member

    Thank you for your answers. :) More answers welcome to fill in this puzzle!
    Mjøsaman: Hm. Makes sense. In some overviews, ISU themselves are singled out as a member of the ISU. Not often to be seen though, "ISU" behind a name, in the protocols? Wondering about Marreiros as an example: Stated as POR in the protocol from Inzell. International Competition. Also wondering about Soberanis. Marked as GUA by Speedskatingresults in the Am Cup (International Competition). Lincense of the USA?
  5. Kristian

    Kristian Active Member

    ... To complicate things further: guess there are slightly different rules in the Olympics? Does the olympic charter demand citizenships to be able to compete? Or? What is it like for a pair in figure skating. Can one of them be from another country, but (of course) compete for the same NF/NOC (National Olympic Comitee)?


    Athlete Eligibility

    All athletes must comply with the provisions of the Olympic Charter currently in force included but not limited to, Rule 41 (Nationality of Competitors) and Rule 43 (World Anti-Doping Code and the Olympic Movement Code on the Prevention of Manipulation of Competitions). Only these athletes who comply with the Olympic Charter may participate in the Olympic Winter Games Beijing 2022.

    C.1 Age Requirements:

    All athletes participating in the Olympic Winter Games Beijing 2022 must be born before 1 July 2006.

    C.2 Additional IF Requirements:

    C.2.1 Achievement of Qualifying Times To be eligible to be entered for the Olympic Winter Games Beijing 2022 within the quota places earned by the respective NOC, athletes must have achieved ISU Qualifying Times in the period between 1 July 2021 and 16 January 2022. The applicable qualifying time standards and conditions for approval of achieved qualifying times will be announced in an ISU Communication, not later than 1 July 2021. As per ISU Regulations, only athletes from NFs (ISU Members) are allowed to enter ISU sanctioned competitions, which include ISU World Cup Speed Skating Competitions.
  6. Kristian

    Kristian Active Member

  7. Mjøsaman

    Mjøsaman Well-Known Member

    Brazilië en Portugal zijn deze week toegelaten als ISU-lid in de hardrijdsectie. Schaatsers uit die landen kunnen dus mee gaan doen aan Wereldbekers, kampioenschappen en Olympische Spelen.
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  8. Lorca

    Lorca Well-Known Member

    Goed nieuws voor Diogo Marreiros!
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